Yesterday I reported that Mark O’Mara, attorney for George Zimmerman, had indicated that the Zimmerman case was not really a “stand your ground” case, but instead a case of “self defense.” I discussed the Florida statutes related to stand your ground law and explained why they probably didn’t apply. This morning I refer you to an article by Eugene Volokh from the UCLA School of Law who sets out the legal analysis of why the “Stand Your Ground” law doesn’t apply in this case. Maybe Mark O’Mara read this article too.
The sad conclusion reached yesterday was that if Martin had hit Zimmerman first, that “touching” might be considered a “battery” under Florida law, and that Zimmerman might justify his killing of Martin by asserting “self-defense” as his excuse. I was too quick to buy into O’Mara’s argument. Having lost sleep over that conclusion, which seemed to be an unjust result, further research has uncovered additional Florida statutes that more appropriately address the facts of this case. A correct analysis of the applicable Florida law indicates Zimmerman was not justified in the shooting of Martin, and he should spend the rest of his life in jail.
Assault is a crime, and the reason that the prosecuting attorney may prevail in her claims against George Zimmerman. There are two crimes of “assault” under Florida law.
1. A “simple assault” if defined under Section 784.011 of the Florida Statutes. An assault is different than a battery. An assault is a threat, and a battery is an unlawful touching. A “simple assault” under Florida law occurs when a person by “word or act, makes an intentional, unlawful threat to commit violence towards another person and the person making the threat has the apparent ability to carry out the threat, and the person does some act which creates a well-founded fear in the other person that such violence is imminent. “ To prove a simple assault the prosecuting attorney must prove three elements:
1. the accused intentionally and unlawfully threatened, by word or act, to do violence to the alleged victim,
2. At the time the threat was made, the accused appeared to have the ability to carry out the threat, and
3. the accused’s threat created in the mind of the alleged victim a well-founded fear that the violence was about to take place.
When we recall the phone call between Trayvon Martin and his girlfriend, it is clear that Trayvon Martin saw, and was scared of George Zimmerman.
Whatever we believe about the events of that fateful evening, it seems undisputed that Martin was fearful of Zimmerman. The fact that Martin was killed is evidence that his fear was “well founded.” Zimmerman was surely guilty of , at least, a “simple assualt,’ which is a misdemeanor under Florida law.
Florida law also has a crime of “Aggravated Assault” which is a felony. Section 784.021 expressly sets out the elements of an “aggravated assault” which expressly includes the commission of an assault with a deadly weapon without the intent to kill. George Zimmerman committed an “assault” on Trayvon Martin, and he had a deadly weapon in his possession. Thus it seems that George Zimmerman committed an aggravated assault on Trayvon Martin, and Martin has the right to use “reasonable force” in defending himself from this assault. Hitting Zimmerman in the face, if he did, would seem to be reasonable force when used against a person carrying a loaded gun, and chasing you. Thus the self defense statutes of Florida should provide a defense to Martin for hitting Zimmerman, if he did. In the absence of an unlawful act was being committed against Zimmerman, the traditional notion of “self-defense” should not apply to Zimmerman. If Martin hit Zimmerman, that would have been a lawful act, as Martin was acting in self-defense as a result of the assault by Zimmerman.
Moreover, there is an express provision in Florida law that precludes the use of the “self-defense” claim by anyone who “initially provokes the use of force against himself.” Florida statutes 776.041 expressly provides that the provoker can only regain self-defense rights if:
“Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or (2)(a)
In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force….
There is no indication that Zimmerman believed that he was in danger of death or great bodily harm while driving in his car. He failed to exhaust reasonable means to escape any danger that might have been presented by a black teen wearing a hoodie in the rain. Zimmerman never retreated or tried to remove himself from any danger. If Zimmerman was fearful that Martin was going to put him in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, then it was incumbent on Zimmerman to retreat to, or stay his car, as the 9-11 responder told him to do. Zimmerman was told the police were on the way. Zimmerman’s only reason for getting out of the car, was not because he was fearful that Martin would ambush him in the car. Instead Zimmerman wanted to deal with Martin as he saw fit, before the police arrived.
An article by John Timoney, a former Miami police chief, Philadelphia police commissioner, deputy police commissioner of New York, and senior police adviser to the Bahrain Minister of the Interior, explains that reality of the fear that people like Trayvon Martin feel every day. On March 23, 2012, Mr.Timoney explained:
“ During one debate, one of the law’s proponents suggested that if a citizen felt threatened in a public space, he should not have to retreat and should be able to meet force with force. I pointed out that citizens feel threatened all the time, whether it’s from the approach of an aggressive panhandler or squeegee pest or even just walking down a poorly lighted street at night. In tightly congested urban areas, public encounters can be threatening; a look, a physical bump, a leer, someone you think may be following you. This is part of urban life. You learn to navigate threatening settings without resorting to force. Retreating is always the best option.” Of course, Martin was fearful of Zimmerman. Of course Zimmerman wanted to assert his dominance over Martin before the police arrived.
In conclusion, it is clear why O’Mara feels that “stand your ground” doesn’t applyto George Zimmerman. While O’Mara may feel that “self defense” offers Zimmerman a better chance of being acquitted, it seems unlikely that a jury would determine that Zimmerman used “every reasonable means” to escape the danger that he claims was presented by Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin was the victim. “Self defense” in Florida did not authorize George Zimmerman to take the life of Trayvon Martin.







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August 15, 2012 at 8:10 am
rumsey10
Having just served on a jury and discovered how differently different people can hear facts, I do hope that the prosecutors make clear the case for why Martin was acting in self-defense, and how Zimmerman could simply have said he was calling the cops (again) because he’d been attacked….and walked back to his car. From what we know, Martin would have not pursued him or asked for any more intereaction.
If someone is following me on a dark rainy night and I’m scared of him, I might lash out to make him less likely to harm me. A “broken nose” (which I’ve had as a child) is not a serious injury, as seen from the photos of Zimmerman. How could any reasonalble defense argue that retaliation for that attack, if there was such an attack, was “shoot to kill”? We don’t live in the Wild West, or the Deep South. The Old Deep South.
August 15, 2012 at 8:22 am
malialitman
rumsey10,
I agree. yet I know from Zimmerman’s story that he will say that he was fearful that Trayvon would knock him unconscious and then Zimmerman would be unable to defend himself. I don’t think the jury is going to believe that, or that Zimmerman really thought Trayvon would use Zimmerman’s gun to shoot Zimmerman if he was first knocked unconscious.
August 15, 2012 at 8:33 am
layla
This case has awakened something in me that only God can heal. I have a son that looks like Trayvon and he was racially profilled by police in our beautiful neighborhood at the age of 13 (he was 6’2″ at the time), so my heart goes out to Trayvon’s mother. I always wondered, what if my baby would have said or done something to upset that officer, would he be dead? I believe that Zimmerman has issues that go back to childhood. He clearly has a problem with authority and control. He would not have followed Trayvon if he didn’t have a gun because he would not have been sure that he was in control. I believe that he saw an opportunity to be a hero in his neghborhood, which is why he couldn’t let Trayvon get away. He was quick to judge that Trayvon was a criminal. My heart aches as I think about how Trayvon must have felt being followed. He was a young man from a good life. He was not a thug used to being followed. He must have been scared standing there with Zimmerman. Zimmerman never said I am neighborhood watch. History that Trayvon hit and pounded on him and he was fearful doesn’t make since because he never screamed, “stop I am neighborhood watch”. He probably
August 15, 2012 at 8:43 am
malialitman
layla,
You are clearly right! If Zimmerman had wanted to do anything other than shoot this innocent teen, there were 1000 things he could have done instead of pulling a gun on him!
August 15, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Ivyfree
The most sensible of which was stay in the truck and leave the kid alone.
There is no way that this wasn’t a racially motivated murder. And I believe when Zimmerman got out of that pickup with a gun, he intended to klll Trayvon. First Degree Homicide.
August 15, 2012 at 3:41 pm
malialitman
Ivyfree,
I think you are right and his racist remarks confirm that.
August 15, 2012 at 8:43 am
layla
He probably pulled the gun out much sooner. God knows what happened to Zimmerman’s cousin and Trayvon. He is accountable not only to society but also to God. I hope that Trayvon’s family finds the peace that surpasses all understanding. Because in a world where people reward people for killing kids, we need that kind of peace. My son is now 14 @ 6’3.5″ and I cast all my cares upon the Lord knowing that He walks everywhere with my son. My fears were realized yet again in the Trayvon Martin case and I thank Trayvon,s parents for all of their efforts to make a change. God bless you with peace and love.
August 15, 2012 at 9:39 am
malialitman
layla,
My son is 6’3″ and although he isn’t black, I worry about him too!
August 15, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Beaglemom
When I first saw the photo of Trayvon Martin, I immediately thought of our sixteen year-old grandson who, although not an African-American, would be considered a threat to some people – just because he is a teenaged male. And he’s really a sweet person.
What Zimmerman did was reprehensible. He was told by the authorities to stand down and he did not; he chose to go after that boy and kill him. If the boy turned and confronted him, too bad; he had a right to know why he was being chased through his father’s neighborhood. What Zimmerman did should be enough to put him in prison for the rest of his life.
August 15, 2012 at 3:11 pm
malialitman
Beaglemom,
You are so right, and I’ll be happy with nothing less.
August 15, 2012 at 10:11 am
2leftfeet
Malia, thanks for keeping this case front & center, and for your thoughtful analysis. The defense will be between a rock and a hard place in deciding whether to put Zimmerman on the witness stand. Even though there are witnesses, Zimmerman is truly the only one who knows what really happened. His testimony of the events of the night will be necessary for the jurors to hear. Zimmerman has a somewhat strange affect that some people may even find creepy. Since Zimmerman has already exhibited his willingness to lie to a judge, it may be that the jury won’t buy him as a credible witness.
Layla, I feel your fears for your young, large son! It is a horrible feeling to know that he may be in danger every time he leaves the house; not just from criminals, but from those who are sworn to protect the peace as well. I will pray for his safety.
August 15, 2012 at 11:30 am
malialitman
2leftfeet,
I predict that O’Mara will have to put Zimmerman on the stand because the only real evidence of “self defense” would have to come from Zimmerman. I’m sure that O’Mara knows he has a liar for a client, so I predict some type of plea bargain before it goes to trial.
August 15, 2012 at 12:53 pm
layla
Malia Litman. We have something in common. I always worry that because my son is so tall and 210, size 17 shoe that people will mistake him for an adult. I really hope that on the day the cop stopped him and questioned him during his jog, if the officer would have known he was only 13, he would have just seen him as a jogger. I believe that it was racial profiling though, which is why I relate it to the Trayvon Martin case.
August 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm
malialitman
layla,
My very favorite client during the entire 12 years that I practiced law was an African-American doctor who grew up in Dallas. He was returning home one night from work, just walking home,and he was stopped by the police and beaten just because he was black. I can’t imagine living with that fear! I’ll pray your son stays safe!
August 15, 2012 at 12:54 pm
PMom_GA
What’s lost in all this is the original police investigation/determination of “self-defense” now becomes crapola. Police dept. is in BIG trouble if ZImmerman/attorney switch gears and go for self-defense now, since they bought Zimmerman’s whole “stand your ground” position during the initial investigation (hence the no arrest at the time of the incident). It also proves that the one detective/officer who didn’t believe for a minute that “stand your ground” was applicable, was correct. Zimmerman should have been taken into immediate custody and arraigned on murder charges.
Secondly, what does this mean for Sanford Police now? Big lawsuit from Martin family and likely (or I should say hopefully) a complete overhaul of the upper echelons of the dept. for their incompetence during a major crime investigation.
And finally – a deep look at the Zimmerman daddy, who likely told Georgie to go for “stand your ground” in the initial investigation.
August 15, 2012 at 3:14 pm
malialitman
PMomGA,
I predict that the Sanford police will pay big bucks to the Martin family to settle.
August 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm
eclecticsandra
I would like to point out that a lot of this argument is based on what DeeDee said. Her comments seem to have been coached by Crump, but she is essentially the only witness. I think GZ thought TM was trying to run out of the complex by the southern gate and was completely surprised when TM showed up at the T. I am called a racist and bigot and hypocrite on a pro-GZ site, and I know people here will think the same thing. But, I wanted to add another viewpoint.
August 15, 2012 at 6:20 pm
jk
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt because I’ve read many of your posts critiquing Sarah Palin and agree with you on that subject. I’m just trying to figure out why you are so adamantly supportive of Zimmerman.
Personally, I don’t believe Zimmerman was out to kill anyone that night. I just think he acted recklessly, got himself into a bad situation (because of his own actions), got in over his head when he confronted Martin, and was quick to draw the gun he carried to act like a “big man.”
I do think he profiled Martin as dangerous because Martin was a black young man.
Zimmerman was the one with the gun, with a criminal history of acting like a “tough guy,” and with a chip on his shoulder. What exactly was his purpose in following Martin? Why did he get out of the car? I see absolutely no reason why Martin, a kid who was on his way home to his father’s place with a snack, would jump Zimmerman. I do see a police-officer-wanna-be with a gun thinking he’s going to play the hero.
I believe this because it makes the most sense, because of Zimmerman’s history, and because I’ve known faux tough guys like Zimmerman. Why do you believe the opposite?
August 15, 2012 at 8:52 pm
eclecticsandra
jk, thank you for recognizing my long standing “liberal” philosophy. Initially I thought GZ was a wannabee police officer. As I got into this and studied the timing in the calls to the non-emergency number, it seemed that GZ really did think TM was from outside and was running out of the complex. TM had plenty of time to get home, but he didn’t. I think he was waiting to ambush GZ when he walked back along the top of the T.
DeeDee talked about TM pulling up his hoody when he saw the guy in the pickup watching him, but it was clear in the video from the 7/11 that Martin had his hoody pulled up in the store. It wasn’t raining inside the store. He had no concern about anyone watching him in the store.
The pictures that Malia has put up of TM are from his younger days. When you see the pictures that were more recent on his myspace pages, he changed considerably. He was 17 when he died, not 14. He was a cute kid developing an attitude.
He did not deserve to die, but Zimmerman did feel his was in danger from a frontal blow and being under a “man” who was much taller. He yelled for help, but didn’t get any. If I had a gun in that situation, I would have fired.
Thank you for considering this point of view.
August 15, 2012 at 9:09 pm
jk
Sandra, I don’t see why it would matter if Martin had his hoody pulled up in the store. It also doesn’t mean he didn’t pull it down and then pull it up again. None of this negates the fact that Zimmerman had an itchy trigger finger and was wannabe policeman (believe me, I know all about those).
You can ask why Martin didn’t go right home. You can also ask why Zimmerman pursued him, ultimately getting getting out of his car. You can wonder if Martin jumped Zimmerman. You can also wonder if Zimmerman confronted Martin and talked his way into a fight…which is, by the way, what I think happened.
Martin is dead and can’t tell his side of the story. Zimmerman has a history (and behaviors since the incident) that suggests he’s not above skirting the law or lying.
And, again, I just can’t figure out why you’re so sure that Zimmerman is the good guy in this scenario.
August 15, 2012 at 4:57 pm
surfpnsbch
I am in my seventies. I grew up in south Georgia. I try so hard not to be racist. But I really don’t know any one who is of a different ethnic background than I am. I would like to know them but am afraid that I would insult them if I tried to be a friend. I don’t want to hurt anyone. Either by what I say or do. I know that the color of ones skin has nothing to do with their abilities or intelligence. How do I let people know that I appreciate them as they are without acting superior in someway? I haven’t long in this world. Thank Goodness. It has not been fun. I would just like to do whatever I can to help us all get along. (I know that sounds like a placebo but don’t really know how else to say it}
Thanks for hearing me.
August 15, 2012 at 5:54 pm
malialitman
surfpnsbch,
Put an Obama magnet on your car or in your yard. Wear a shirt with Obama on it, and watch the reaction you get. I got a fist bump one day going through the security check point at the airport. The driver of the trash truck at my house stopped as I was leaving in my car one day, and he stopped and shook my hand. I think that African American people realize that if you have an Obama sign, you must not be racist.
August 15, 2012 at 6:30 pm
jk
I”m very sorry to hear your time on this earth has been less than pleasant.
I interact with people of all different races and ethnicities every day. They work in the supermarket, or carry my mail, or are in front of me in line at the deli. I treat everyone the same exact way…a smile, a nod, a small exchange of pleasantries. If it’s someone I see a lot in passing, I say, “How’s it going?” or “nice day, huh?”
People are people, after all.
August 16, 2012 at 10:58 am
surfpnsbch
Thank you for your concern. I wrote this comment some days ago and in response to a different post. Don’t know how it got here now.
I too try to interact with all people just as you say you do. I hope it helps.
Most of my less than pleasant time on this earth has been from some bad decisions I have made plus just “stuff” that no one can do anything about. I’m just tired of the struggle at this point.
Again, thanks for your reply. It always helps to know others care.
August 16, 2012 at 3:03 pm
malialitman
surfpnsbch,
I know about being “tired of the struggle” but if we are to make a difference, we need the help of many, and that includes you! You can use the internet for a very powerful message.
August 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm
jk
You are so welcome.
August 15, 2012 at 10:52 pm
2leftfeet
surfpnsbch, I am really sorry to hear that your life has not been a happy one, and I am sorry for whatever heartaches, loss and pain that has come your way. If you don’t mind, may I offer a suggestion? I don’t know if you are physically able and/or have the time, but there are many organizations that desperately need volunteers, and that is generally a terrific way to meet people and forge friendships with folks from different backgrounds. Most schools, pre-schools or daycares could use someone willing to come in and read to kids or tutor kids with reading problems. Most nursing homes or assisted living facilities love to have volunteers to come in to read to people who may not be able to see well enough to read anymore, or to run errands, shop, even comb someone’s hair. Sometimes people just want to talk and have someone listen. Museums and parks need docents, beaches need clean up, humane society animals need bathing & socializing, libraries need story tellers. Volunteering can be a way to bring us out of ourselves, and give us a different perspective on life in general.
I think that, regardless of race, ethnicity or religious differences, most people just appreciate others who are genuine, and can show a compassionate and caring nature. You sound like someone with a good heart, and I am sure that you have much to offer the world. I hope that you will find some peace and fulfillment in the near future. Blessings, and the best to you.
August 16, 2012 at 8:37 am
malialitman
2leftfeet,
Thanks for your kind words of wisdom. Great advice!
August 16, 2012 at 10:16 am
eclecticsandra
I would also suggest some kind of volunteer work. It might be good for you to visit a local senior lunch program. You will be able to meet people from other races or at least observe them. Just being around people will help you recognize them as individuals. It doesn’t mean you have to like them or even identify with them. Just start looking for the individuality in others.
August 16, 2012 at 11:03 am
surfpnsbch
Thanks for your suggestions and concern. I really didn’t mean to be so down. I do have problems with back and legs and it is difficult for me to get out and about. But I do try. I mostly meant that I don’t have any one close who is of another ethnicity and I feel a lose because of that fact. The internet is my refuge. I have always loved learning. The blogs, especially the well written and researched ones such as Malias help a great deal. I appreciate her and this blog so very much.
August 16, 2012 at 3:00 pm
malialitman
surfnsbch,
I am not able to get around very well due to my MS, so working on this blog is a way to feel I can really have an impact. I hope you do too and that you realize you are having an impact by your comments. People from around the world are reading, so know that your thoughts are being disseminated across the oceans.
August 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm
surfpnsbch
Thank you for your blessings. I really appreciate your reply.
My intention in writing my original comment was just to say that I regret not having friends who are African American or Asian or any other ethnic group. I feel that I have missed so much not to have them in my life in a closer relationship. It is just the way life has happened. I’m not antagonistic to anyone. Try to be genuine and treat others as I would like to be treated.
I don’t feel unfulfilled. Just that I had so much more potential than what developed and am disappointed in myself for that.
I have 3 wonderful children and they are successful and loving.
I guess I expressed myself poorly in the original comment. The intent was never to put anyone down or to be a whiner. People seem to have interpreted my statements so differently than I intended.
I’m old, I’m worn out, I’m tired. But I haven’t given up. I just understand that at my age there is not a lot of time left. Facing facts.
Please don’t think I am being maudlin.
I love plants and have many including many tropicals that require lots of care and nurturing. Also animals. I have 5 babies (puppies) that I love dearly and care for constantly. My life is not that bad, but it is nearly over simply because of years.
I’ve never understood deeply religious people who believe in Heaven and a better life after death and yet are so very reluctant to go there. One would think they would welcome the after life that they believe in.
MALIA just a note to you. If there is any way that I can help you do research or contribute in any way just let me know. You have my email address.
August 16, 2012 at 5:59 pm
malialitman
surfpnsbch,
Thank you for the offer, and I will definitely remember to send you a note if I need help. In the mean time, if you want to write, anytime just let me know. Thanks, Malia
August 16, 2012 at 7:05 am
layla
You said, ” I try so hard not to be racist”. I think at this point you have developed a certain mindset that will keep you from developing relationships with people of different races. My concern is that you have handed this mindset down to kids and/or grandkids. Perhaps you should go so far as to call a family mtg and discuss your feelings. Being an accepting person comes from within. It is a conscious d
August 16, 2012 at 7:07 am
layla
It is a conscious decision to treat all people with love and respect. I hope you can heal from the past and develop a better quality of life.
August 16, 2012 at 11:06 am
surfpnsbch
You are way off. I have not handed down to my children or grandchildren. And we have discussed the subject. You read your own feelings into what I said apparently.
August 16, 2012 at 3:56 pm
layla
You have my sincere apologies. I wish you well.
August 16, 2012 at 4:22 pm
surfpnsbch
Thank you for your apology. I never thought you were being unkind just wrong about me.
August 15, 2012 at 5:50 pm
DobieTracker
I had a neighbor who “assaulted” me.
Too long to go into details but after an incident had occurred and I had gone to the man’s condo to “smooth the waters.” I was asked to leave the sidewalk area in front of his door. (Background: I am short older female, he was tall same age male and technically I was on “common area” of condo grounds. I left and he continued to try and control the situation by telling me I better never bla bla bla. I was about 40 ft away on grassy area and I turned back and told him not to threaten me bla bla bla.
He then stated loudly in a very angry tone, “IF your are going to act like a man, I am going to treat you like a man.” He then very forcefully and with speed strode toward me, with glaring angry eyes and face, his right hand in a fist and trembling but held down to his side.
I knew I could not run fast enough to get away so I screamed loudly that he better not hit me cause if he did it would be assault. He was about 5 ft away , held his fist up and splayed all his fingers apart and stated, “With this ?”
I left, I called APD. Didn’t want continued animosity so asked police to tell him if it happened again he would be dealing with them i.e. large males with weapons
2 years later, same officer responded to call from Animal Control who had been verbally assaulted by this guy. This guy then, apparently either badly verbally assaulted or physically assaulted the police officer, who just happened to be the same officer that had responded to my call, and they ended up with 3 squad cars and 6 officers on scene.
Animal control guy did not want to press charges, but when I reminded the officer of the previous incident and how I now felt more threatened—there was reason for this guy to inaccurate believe he should be angry with me again, they offically warned him what would happen to him.
Bottom line: no more incidents 3 yrs now and the officer’s personal anger at this guy and the officer’s warnings to me how dangerous this guy was will not be forgotten. I still have the officer’s card taped to wall by my telephone.
Indeed, threatening to assault is a crime. No actual touching has to take place to feel you are in danger from someone’s verbal threats, especially if accompanied by a physical action indicative of imminent physical harm.
August 15, 2012 at 8:22 pm
malialitman
Dobie Tracker,
I am so sorry you had to experience this, but yes, assault is a crime and it is pretty unnerving if it happens to you. I am relieved that there is legal precedent in Florida to justify TM in hitting Zimmerman as he was scared, and rightly so.
August 16, 2012 at 6:42 am
Kate (@AKRNHSNC)
GZ has told so many versions of his fairy tale regarding what happened the night he killed Trayvon Martin, that he’ll have to get on the stand in a self-defense case. Otherwise, what story would O’Mara use to present his case?
EclecticSandra, GZ told the police he thought TM was in his teens, then in court during his insulting apology to TM’s parents, he lied, AGAIN, and said, I thought he was a couple years younger than me & didn’t know if he was armed or not. He told the NEN dispatcher that TM was in his teens and he didn’t think he was armed, he said he put his hand in his waistband when he circled his car. However, there are several timeline studies done that prove he could not have been where GZ said he was during his walk-through with the police the day after the shooting or in the statements he made to the investigating officers in the week following the shooting. Of course, there’s the interview with Hannity where he talks about TM “skipping away from him”. He added that there was no way TM was in fear of him and if he had said “running” prior to then, he was mistaken (he said it five times and in fact, that was the reason GZ said he got out of his car and followed him).
When it comes right down to it, GZ’s own words should put him in jail for at least a couple of decades as he has lied so many times in his stories about the shooting. It’s also physically impossible for him to have shot TM the way he did and for TM to be talking afterwards and fighting against him on the ground.
I don’t know if you’re aware of it or not but GZ wants us to believe that AFTER a witness came to his patio door and opened it and said he was going to call 911, that is when TM said he was going to kill GZ, but at the same time, GZ says TM was covering his mouth and nose with his hand AND banging his head on the concrete AND reaching for his gun. So up until that point, GZ just laid there and allowed TM to beat him up (despite injuries that are inconsistent with his story) and then he was able to suddenly hold TM’s hand under his “super-strength” right bicep while with his right hand, he reached for the gun, turning it into the proper shooting position and fired directly into his heart, straight on with no angle. GZ had also gained the ability to grab TM’s left wrist and gained control of that, too, prior to shooting because he said he had to be careful not to shoot his hand. That last little “fact” was added by GZ after one of the officers asked him what TM was doing with his other hand, because if TM had seen the gun as GZ said he did, do you really believe he would have allowed GZ to shoot him?
Oops, I forgot that GZ was supposedly screaming for help all this time!
His story is preposterous but the biggest problem that remains is TM’s body was still over 30 feet from where GZ said all this happened during the re-enactment. On top of that, there was no DNA from GZ found on TM’s hands despite his allegedly bloody nose and TM supposedly coming in contact with saliva and blood from his mouth and nose.
GZ said that was him screaming when the gun went off yet the scream stopped during the shot, GZ also said he didn’t think he hit him so why did he stop screaming and why didn’t he fire again if he was in fear for his life?
Having a grandson who is half black, half caucasian, I can’t help but imagine someone mistaking him for a “thug” in ten years when he’s 16 simply because he’s wearing a hoodie and walking while looking black and talking on the phone. GZ profiled TM as one of the people who allegedly burglarized the homes despite an arrest the previous week. He said in the beginning, “they always get away” and he was determined to make sure that TM didn’t get away. The day he found out TM was walking home from 7-11, doing nothing wrong, that he had just turned 17 only 3 weeks before he killed him, GZ showed zero remorse and that remains to this day. As far as facts go, TM was only 3″ taller than GZ and weighed approximately 35 pounds less, but GZ had once been a bouncer and had a history of violent attacks, TM did not.
Sorry for the length of this but there are a lot of wild-assed stories going around that are not true. I’ve read the police reports, listened to the police interviews and watched the re-enactment. GZ’s story is a fairy tale but if you don’t like what he’s said, wait until tomorrow, it will likely change, AGAIN.
August 16, 2012 at 8:22 am
malialitman
Kate,
Thanks for your comments, and Will Rogers said…if you don’t like the weather in Oklahoma…wait a minute. You’re right, GZ’s explanation changes as much as the weather in Oklahoma.
August 16, 2012 at 10:25 am
eclecticsandra
Kate, I have studied these reports as well. You are reporting accurately, but I think the evidence will have to come from the recorded NEN call. Zimmerman has contradicted himself several times, and he is a strange guy. I do believe he didn’t want to confront TM, only see where he went. GZ was trying to get his flashlight to work, so he apparently lost TM into the darkness.
I hope my grandsons will know enough to avoid acting in a suspicious manner. I also wonder why the blunt didn’t show up in TM’s effects. He bought at least one at the 7/11.
August 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm
BXCAR
TM STOOD HIS GROUND Those paper cuts on the back of his head were like guy hitting the pave in an outdoor basketball game.
Zimmerman… Nothing serious at all. Not even a concussion.
1)Surevery
2)Profiled
3)Stalked
4)Followed
5)(went against authorities commands to stop)
6)pursued
7)chased? confronted
8)Murdered an innocent teen
August 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm
malialitman
BSCAR,
Absolutely, and TM was surely defending himself if he did hit Zimmerman. I’d be scared if Zimmerman was following me!
December 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Nunner Urbiznaz
So, following someone who seemed suspicious, in order to report to the police,in a neighborhood that has a recent history of burglaries, is an assault, but punching someone in the face and beating his head against a concrete sidewalk isn’t battery? I hope you get beaten to death by someone who looks like Obama’s son.
December 15, 2012 at 5:07 pm
eclecticsandra
What kind of creep are you to wish that on someone?