The associated Press picked up the story and reported the facts. Although the facts include the dismissal of the complaint, the writer confirms the facts that gave rise to the ethics violation. I hope the Attorney General realizes that the truth will come out that the claim was valid. This is the story that I had made reference to in comments on previous stories but was unwilling to disclose the nature of the information. Unlike Palin’s attorney, I kept the story and Palin’s violation of the Ethics law confidential.
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August 3, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Pat Padrnos
How did that happen?? Good news.
August 3, 2011 at 6:02 pm
malialitman
Pat,
I sent my post to several news sources and a reporter from the Associated Press called me. Obviously the AG dismissed the complaint, but if anyone looks at the statute, I think they will see what I saw. The facts ar e the facts, and anyone who looks at this will see what I did, so I am actually glad the AP has picked it up as I am hopeful some reporter will actually read the statute and see what I did.
August 3, 2011 at 6:20 pm
lazergrl
No one commenting on ADN seems to be seeing what you saw, but then they don’t seem to have the intelligence to be able to actually read it. My they are a nasty bunch!
August 3, 2011 at 6:46 pm
malialitman
lazergrl,
I am not surprised at the comments, given what I have gotten today on this blog, but all you have to do is read the statute and its crystal clear!
August 3, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Texasgal2009
Well done, Malia ! I wonder if one of the Palin consulting/media companies was involved in getting the reality show for the hairdresser or might be paid by the production company ?
Here’s an interesting article from the Texas Observer that has an interesting Alaska connection. It’s about a GOP political consultant by the name of Dave Carney. He is the mastermind behind Rick Perry’s hardball campaigns and is not to be taken lightly. He has actually managed to defeat Karl Rove’s candidates. However , a group Carney created was fined by the Alaska Public Offices Commission for trying to improperly influence elections there in 2002. We all know who was elected Governor in 2002. Things that make you go hmmm… http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/the-outsider?
August 3, 2011 at 8:05 pm
malialitman
Texasgal2009,
It is TLC that is going to do the Big Hair show so it is the same company, and I feel confident that Sarah Palin isn’t just volunteering her time.
August 4, 2011 at 12:49 am
Colleen
hey Malia, I was on ADN most of the afternoon slugging it out with those boneheads..I’m sure we did some good..there are a few who can think…the Wisconsin folks need some help now too…there is a nasty herd going to get their comeuppance next week…recall elections for 6 republicans I believe…should be good…
August 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm
nswfm
Good for you! I can’t imagine anyone more deserving of the shitstorm to follow.
August 3, 2011 at 7:56 pm
steveflesher
I wonder how much people like you and Andree McCleod and Shannyn Moore, and Jeanne Devon (who’s actually married to the Treasurer of Alaskans for Truth), and Linda Kellen-Biegel realize the amount of money and resources wasted on frivolous ethics complaints like this. What do you think it really says to others in America when someone from a completely other state files an ethics complaint in another state who coincidentally operates a blog obsessing about that subject?
But most importantly, what was the cost to your soul?
No matter what it is you think you’re trying to accomplish, I honestly hope people like you start to look into the mirror and ask what it is you can really do to make a difference for your fellow Americans.
August 3, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Sir Guestalot
Wow. So breaking the law is “frivolous” in your book, Steve? We’re all Americans. Alaska is in America. I’m grateful for those who try to uphold our state and national laws. I’m against scofflaws, of any political party, and in any state in the USA.
August 3, 2011 at 8:28 pm
DebinOH
Wow! The people who knew what she was really doing didn’t come out and admit what they knew before this woman was a heartbeat away from being the vice president of our country. They are the ones who sold their souls so maybe you should worry about them. When some of them did come out later it was too late because she was already in McCain’s camp.
The things that Sarah Palin did were unethical. She is the one who said to bring it on when she became governor so maybe you should blame her. Malia and all the other people you mention are doing their fellow Americans a great service and that is keeping this woman out of the lower 48.
Besides that SP wasted tons of taxpayer money herself. From decorating her office in Wasilla to wasting taxpayer money to get her brother in law fired and everything else. Perhaps you should thank everyone for watching SP and the money she wasted. If more people did that our country would be better off!
August 3, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Olivia
This is hardly frivolous. It really demonstrates the level of corruption in Alaska government and politics. Why are you so intent on preserving that?
August 3, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Sue in Minnesota
Why don’t you take the bag off your head and try to face the truth. Don’t worry about our souls, we will each take responsibility for ourselves, your responsibility is to tend to yours.
Why do you defend Sarah Palin being allowed to violate laws, rules and ethics that the rest of us and that includes you are required to follow, and for good reason. Why is it OK for her to use the system in a way that it is not designed to be used, for her personal advantage? Why is it OK for Sarah? Why have rules? Why should Sarah have influence over the creation of laws that will be self serving and benefit her personally, is that not an abuse of power? Why do state lines define who is allowed to be concerned about the abuse of power and the application of justice?
Steve the best way to lead is by example, please share what you are doing to make a difference in the lives of all Americans. You may inspire us.
August 3, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Olivia
Steve…Steve…steveflesher, WHERE ARE YOU? There are many people here who have questions for you. Yoo Hoo! Come back, we want to hear from you. i fear we will never hear from him again.
August 3, 2011 at 9:44 pm
steveflesher
Not one ethics charge was filed on her before 2008.
27 have been filed since then from the same group of people.
And they keep getting rejected by the AG.
Of course in your best efforts to deny these facts, you make it easy to understand why many of you thought Obama deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for giving a speech in Germany in the same way a hysterical mother overly-praises her baby boy for potty training.
Now he’s on the ball field with the better players and you’re worried he’s getting roughed up. Well, he hit an all new low in the GALLUP. This lastly-filed and failed ethics charge is great news for Sarah Palin.
I don’t mind the attention, I am just sorry that so much money was wasted on these things by people trying to get attention off of her name.
August 3, 2011 at 10:26 pm
malialitman
Steveflesher,
Let’s be clear. This is the very first ethics complaint I have ever filed. To my knowledge it didn’t cost the Alaskan tax payers anything, as it was only summarily reviewed by attorneys already working for the AG, and no one was required to hire a lawyer to defend the allegations since they were dismissed without further investigation. Malia
August 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm
steveflesher
MaliaLitman let me be clear that I didn’t say the same “person.” I said they were perpetuated by the same crowd. Take a look at your blogroll.
Further, the staff had to be paid to investigate it. State resources were used.
If you believe in your heart you did the right thing, fine. But our country is suffering right now and I would just prefer it if we understood that even though it’s other peoples’ money we are spending, it’s still important and the impacts of frivolity eventually hit us all.
Good evening.
August 4, 2011 at 12:16 am
SLQ
Steve, given that Palin was only inaugurated in late 2006, and she quit halfway through her term, it’s not at all surprising that there were no ethics complaints before 2008. It means nothing, except that it took a year for people to figure out what she was up to. Palin herself asked Alaskans (who filed most of the ethics complaints) to hold her accountable. She was found to have violated ethics laws in several instances, including (off the top of my head) Troopergate, her legal fund, and expenses for her kids. So save your indignation and use that energy to learn about those issues, why don’t you?
August 4, 2011 at 7:50 am
debinOH
Steve, it was a Republican who filed the most ethics complaints. What does Obama & potty training have anything to do with this? You have some serious issues.
August 3, 2011 at 6:58 pm
CougInPortland
HUGE news! The more all of this from stem to stern the better. Grinning at you, Malia!
August 3, 2011 at 8:15 pm
malialitman
CoughinPortland,
Thanks for smiling with me. Because the AG summarily dismissed the Complaint it makes them look worse than if they had considered it and then ruled that there was no violation. Malia
August 3, 2011 at 7:26 pm
GG from Cincy
This is really mind boggling!
August 3, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Lisabeth
What does it say about someone’s “soul” that they describe this as frivolous?
To me it says that they either aren’t intelligent to understand how corrupt and crooked this was, or they didn’t take the time to read and process the details OR they did and they simply don’t care. Either way it is frightening that any human being with ask someone else and NOT the Palins about having a “soul.”
August 3, 2011 at 8:04 pm
SP's ankles
Good job, Malia! And thanks.
August 3, 2011 at 8:13 pm
DebinOH
Way to go!!!!!!!!!
August 3, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Marie
All this really does is show how corrupt Alaska is and how ignorant Palin Cult followers really are.
Exposing them as the frauds that they all are – and they do it with every one of their brainless comments – is a good thing!
August 3, 2011 at 8:37 pm
concerned grandma
Malia, what goes around will eventually come around. Sometimes it’s very difficult to wait. What happens when someone gets really greedy, and they always seem to get away with doing dishonest things, is then they seem to get even bolder and keep doing them. Eventually they feel that they are “untouchable.” THEN is when they get careless, and …….
Hang in there, Malia, you do good work and you have a lot of fans that appreciate and care about you (including me)!
August 3, 2011 at 9:21 pm
malialitman
concerned grandma,
thanks for your support! It has been a long day. Malia
August 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm
nswfm
Steve, I’m not worried about my soul. I’m someone who lives in a NET TAX DONOR STATE. So when I see the AK Grifting Quitter, fuck:ng up the political discourse with her death panels, reloading, the cross hairs, etc., I feel pretty good about people who go after the lying, grifting fraud of a quitter governor. So thanks for asking, but I’m fine with Malia and others not being distracted by the “gilf.”
August 3, 2011 at 10:03 pm
steveflesher
This is why debating liberals is fun. First, the “death panels” was correct. After she said it, all the pages containing legislation about incentives to Doctors for “initiating” end-of-life discussions were ripped out.
Further, Palin had 50 years of a failed British Public Option to look back on. In 1979, the dead weren’t even being buried efficiently because liberals and Labour Governments created chaos with their big governments and over-regulations. Ambulance drivers went on strike, medical personnel went on strike leaving a massive shortage of care and mothers begging for their child to be moved up in the “waiting line” of those who decided what Doctor they saw and when they saw him (or her). Of course, Margaret Thatcher (a very personally unpopular woman in Britain up until then) won a historic election by running on hard core but honest and right conservative values and served Britain for years turning everything around.
What I find hypocritical about the left with that “lie” is the rhetoric they spewed in response to the Arizona immigration bill. SB-1070.
Even though the bill clearly stated that police officers weren’t allowed to racially profile, the left along with Sheriff Dumbnik rallied against a bill which mirrored federal law because they ASSUMED police officers would racially profile anyway.
So, I see when Palin protests legislation on the basis of what could happen when she had Britain to look back on, she was a big mean liar. But when liberals protested legislation which not only mirrored federal law but served to protect Arizonans (of all racial ethnicity), it was allowed.
Let’s see, you also called her a quitter. I believe I mentioned all the people involved with explaining why it was necessary for her to selflessly resign as she did. As Governor, she had to pay for her own defense and taxpayers foot the millions of dollars in investigative fees while she was Governor. This particular ethics complaint proves my point since it was filed within the Statute of Limitations of her leaving the position. She has not been Governor since 2009, yet, people are still filing ethics complaints! Ridiculous. She had to resign to handle these complaints and used her freedom and the free-market to earn enough money to fight back. She turned lemons into lemonade and I am pleased to see it is rotting in your craw.
People always get what they deserve.
Finally, it is well known that the map used was invented by Democrat campaigns years ago, admitted even by Bob Beckel.
But, I am sure thrilled that the left was so interested in toning down that incitement of violence, though I do believe Biden and others broke that “peace mission” when they called tea party Americans “terrorists.”
You don’t get it and you never will. But in summation, Governor Palin is used to the attacks and so are we. That’s why our skin is thicker and it’s also why President Cry Baby has a tantrum every time his own short-comings are credibly pointed out — like waiting for more than 800 days to put forth a budget as he was too busy spending trillions of dollars we don’t have.
August 3, 2011 at 11:08 pm
KatieAnnieOakly
Was there supposed to be a point to all of that? Because, you see, when you have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader!
Your rant has nothing of the sort. it’s just continuous blah, blah, blah, blah – like a Chatty-Kathy doll. Except you keep pulling your own cord. Blah! BLAH! BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
August 3, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Val
LOL! Yuu don’t know anything about Palin or her policies, do ya?
August 4, 2011 at 12:49 am
SLQ
Oh, Steve, you make it too easy. First, you are completely wrong about the death panels. What you state is simply not true. See http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-obama-death-panels/.
Then you go on to discuss ambulance driver strikes, Maragaret Thatcher and whatnot, which you apparently attempt to use to discuss Palin’s stance on the Healthcare Bill in general. But that veers off the death panel discussion.
Then you claim that the reaction to the AZ bill was a “lie” because it was based on the potential for racial profiling. But you conveniently forget that the initial version of the bill allowed police to stop anyone (citizen or non-citizen) and demand their papers, based on whether police suspected they were illegal. You can try to claim that’s not racial profiling, but I lived in Phoenix for six years, just recently, and it is, whether you want to believe it or not. [A joke to illustrate the point: How can you tell a legal immigrant driver from an illegal immigrant driver? The illegal immigrant is the one obeying the speed limit.]
Then you repeat the tired talking point that queen $arah selflessly left her post to save herself and the state from the meanies who dared to question her ethics. But, the vast majority of the legal expenses were from Troopergate, which $arah herself filed and brought on herself by viciously going after her ex-brother-in-law. As to her own legal expenses, she raised a fortune from people like you to pay for them. Unfortunately, she violated ethics laws in so doing and had to return them. I guess those two things are what you call “getting what she deserved.” But never fear, she created a new fund after she quit, so all is well in Palin legaland.
Maps: Yes, there were maps with target symbols before Palin. But Palin and others took those images to an extreme level by adding crosshairs and names (Gabby Giffords, anyone?), and combined them with violent rhetoric (don’t retreat, reload!) and incitement to violence (2nd amendment remedies? AK-47s?). RAM claiming they were not crosshairs after $arah was on record calling them exactly that doesn’t help your case.
Regarding “terrorists,” the White House has gone on record saying it does not condone such language, and Biden denies it (though it appears a staff member did say it.) But it’s astonishingly hypocritical of $arah to refer back to her use of the word (“pallin’ around with terrorists”) to claim that PRESIDENT Obama would actually be “pallin’ around” with the tea party if they actually were terrorists. (“I did it first?”) However, the point is really moot, as McConnell has admitted the tea party freshmen held the country hostage, it was worth it, and would do it again. http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/08/03/mcconnell_sure_we_took_hostages.html
As to your final paragraph, first, no budget proposed by the President has a snowball’s chance in hell of passing the House. Second, there was a time when the office of the President of the United States was afforded respect. I will never forgive Sarah Palin for the way she has denigraded the office, and the man. Fortunately, he actually has thick skin (notice that he hasn’t quit halfway through), and he pays no attention to her venom. I ask you, though, in the alternate reality that is your world, where Sarah Palin is elected president, would you condone comments such as yours above? Do you realize that she (and you) has denigraded the very office she pretends to seek? That’s the danger in spouting such nonsense and ill will. It does come back to bite you, like it has for her.
August 4, 2011 at 4:53 am
Gingerboycat
“People always get what they deserve.”
I dearly hope you are right.
August 4, 2011 at 6:34 am
newmexicogold
You do not debate when you refuse to state a premise,and then can not support a vague assertion.
eople always get what they deserve”
That is why it is curious that gay conservatives vote against their best interests. $arah has yet to claim a penny for legal fees for an ethics charges filed against her. As cheap as she is known to be, she would have claimed the deduction if she could. Her first legal defense fund was found to violate Alaska ethics law, and her second fund has yet to file it’s financial report. Perhaps she is waiting for you and those without critical thinking skills to send in more money?
August 4, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Sarah Palin has a serpent's heart
People get what they deserve-Steve. By that logic Steve then Sarah will go to prison and suffer a lifetime of embarrassment. And if you think Malia suffers from PDS then take a visit to my blog. Its a real peach! http://sarahpalinhasaserpentsheart.blogspot.com/
August 4, 2011 at 6:57 pm
steveflesher
I was completely right about the death panels.
How about factcheck tell us about a president who promises unemployment would not go above 8% if we squandered a trillion dollars on failed stimulus?
How about factcheck tell us about a president who promises health care negotiations to be held on CSPAN as a candidate?
How about factcheck tell us about a president who says if we like the health care we had, we could keep it? Strangely, I have a feeling factcheck will always have a lot more to say about Sarah Palin than they do about a president who hangs out with his super rich friends at a birthday fundraiser while the DOW today collapses 513 points because of his policies.
Say, I wonder why those top 1% of earners didn’t just give him their “fair share” while they were there? He could have just dropped it right off at the fed for them on the way home.
Regarding Thatcher, the trouble with the British health option cost people their lives in 1979 when everything went a muck. Thatcher not only proved to us why social experiments are bad ideas, she also proved that if we must implement socialist policies, that it must still be run by a conservative. People DIED BECAUSE THEY HAD TO WAIT FOR CARE. When a set of bureaucrats paid by the government makes those decisions, what do you call them?
And you lie and perpetuate the same drivel lefties were spewing about AZ SB1070 back then. The original bill said they could not just pull people over and ask for their papers without reason. But you guys assumed they would do it anyway, without any proof whatsoever. So, unlike Sarah Palin who had Britain’s failures to make her case for her, you had NO PROOF to object to legislation on the basis of what COULD happen.
You cannot have it both ways.
Ha I love how you would use the term “extreme” in the same sentence as “crosshairs” as if it were pornography. Besides on the basis of Biden and Democrats calling tea part Reps “terrorists,” I believe I have already your hypocrisy after your party developed the map to begin with and have won this debate on objectivity, not emotion or a presentation of the facts as I would like them to be like saying “crosshairs” were extreme when you represent the party which supports funding the National Endowment of the Arts.
Palin is factually right about the panels. She’s factually right that Obama palled around with Ayers and has a little group of radical friends.
I guess the old saying is right.
“If you want to annoy a conservative, tell them a lie. If you want to enrage a liberal, tell them the truth.”
August 4, 2011 at 10:35 pm
SLQ
steveflesher
I apologize for the length of this reply, but you threw so much into your reply that it takes time and space to respond.
First, I’ll note that I am not responding until now because I was at work, and as to others, you can’t assume that people who post here during your work day are not employed. Perhaps you’ll revise your assumption that all people who disagree with $arah Palin don’t work. According to polls, 67% of people disapprove of Palin. Yet President Obama was elected by an overwhelming majority, indicating a clear majority of liberal-leaning people. As you said, “you can’t have it both ways.”
“I was completely right about the death panels” and “Palin is factually right about the panels.” Citation, please.
As to your “how about factcheck” comments, they are attempts to deflect, but here goes (although you really should do your own research):
Unemployment/Stimulus: You can’t factcheck a prediction or promise. That’s because he didn’t state a fact. Obstructionist republicans have not produced jobs, and the debt ceiling debacle didn’t help the ecomony. Your point?
Transparency/Healthcare negotiations: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/03/cnn-fact-check-president-obamas-transparency-report-card/ This article states that 3 out of 4 organization that produced the report indicating transparency were partisan. Fair enough?
Affordable Care Act (PPACA)/keep your provider: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/keep-your-insurance-not-everyone/ This concludes that it depends on your employer (just like it does now – I’ve had to change providers numerous times during the last few decades due to employer insurance changes or a change of job). It’s up to the insurance companies who they have on their plan. Isn’t that called free market capitalism?
Now I’ll address your kitchen sink claims:
Bias against Palin: You claim that that factcheck is biased against her False — see the factchecks you requested above).
Obama/campaign/DOW: You imply that the President should have been somewhere else on his birthday, implying that if he’d been in his office, he could control the DOW. Sorry, no. What exactly do you think he could have done to control the stock market? He is running for President next year, just like Romney, Bachmann, etc. He’s allowed to campaign. Is he not allowed to celebrate his birthday as he chooses? I thought you believed in freedom? (Also, psst: Palin is “super rich.”)
Fair share: You make a snarky comment about collecting the fair share from the “super rich” people at his fundraiser. You’ll note that he has no authority to do so, because the tea party freshmen and other republicans refuse to return revenue to 2000 levels, even though the country sorely needs the income. President Obama is on record saying he would gladly pay his fair share, and believes that top 1% should also. Your point?
Thatcher/British health care: This party is particularly convoluted, which makes responding challenging, but I’ll try. First, I don’t recall that Palin used Britain to support her opposition of health care. I couldn’t find any references online to that claim. Perhaps you will provide some? You claim that people DIED BECAUSE THEY HAD TO WAIT FOR CARE and that I “must be run by a conservative.” But you fail to consider that Britain still has a universal health care system, and it has not been run by conservatives continuously since 1979. So there goes that argument. Plus, you ignore the fact that people die for lack of care under our current system. According to a 2009 study, 45,000 people in the U.S. die each year because of lack of health care. http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/17/us-usa-healthcare-deaths-idUSTRE58G6W520090917. This is one of the main reasons PPACA is needed! In Alaska, during Palin’s watch, in one 2 1/2 year stretch (2006-2009), 227 adults DIED BECAUSE THEY HAD TO WAIT FOR HEALTHCARE. The situation was so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements. http://www.adn.com/2009/07/14/864670/troubled-alaska-health-programs.html#ixzz1U7QE95TB.
Therefore, your claim that Sarah Palin “had Britain’s failures to make her case for her” is false. You’ve provided absolutely no proof that the “death panels” are factual, and I have provided proof that they are not, so until you provide something, they don’t exist, so you can’t defend Palin on that issue, either, which was your initial claim regarding healthcare.
Thus, since you didn’t prove that palin was justified in opposing the PPACA, your false comparison with 1070 fails on those issues alone. But just for fun . . .
SB1070: You claim that I “lie and perpetuate the same drivel lefties were spewing” and that “the original bill said they could not just pull people over and ask for their papers without reason.” “Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil. Ms. Brewer acknowledged critics’ concerns, saying she would work to ensure that the police have proper training to carry out the law.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us/politics/24immig.html The law was modified by Arizona House Bill 2162 within a week of its signing with the goal of addressing some of these concerns, so that race, color or ethnicity simply cannot be used as part of reasonable suspicion of immigration status. http://www.publiusnm.org/sb-1070-meet-hb-2162-az-immigration-law-amended/ If it was already prohibited, why the need to amend? So, unlike Palin, clearly, there WAS PROOF to object to the legislation as originally drafted. And there’s reason even in its current form, because the day before the law was to take effect, a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction that blocked the law’s most controversial provisions. Arizona has sought, unsuccessfully to date, to reverse that decision in the federal appeals courts. (To be fair, I’ll note that the PPACA has also faced constitutional challenges, though no injunction. 3 cases in federal courts upheld the constitutionality of the bill while 2 deemed it unconstitutional. 6 other challenges were dismissed on grounds such as plaintiffs being unable to demonstrate sufficient standing.) [You can attempt to claim that the SB1070 judge was an “activist judge,” but I will say that you’d have to say the same for the 2 judges that declared the PPACA unconstitutional. The Constitution provides for separation of powers, including federal judges ruling on the constitutionality of legislation. These judges were doing their jobs. The Supreme Court will ultimately decide the issue, but it’s far from clear, and the “death panels” and alleged deaths in Britain will have nothing to do with it.]
Crosshairs/Pornography: Now you’re making me think you’re Palin herself or RAM, because they tend to somehow always bring things back to sex. Not cool, not cool at all. Crosshairs associated with a member of Congress IS extreme. That’s why such things are currently out of favor — even Palin has toned down her rhetoric. I’ll also note that part of the rhetoric issue is both “sides” policing their own. No conservatives called Palin out on her violent rhetoric pre- or post-Tucson. But, as above, the White House has already gone on record saying no one should be calling tea partiers terrorists (although McConnell willingly said they held the country “hostage.) So, “the left” is entirely consistent with toning down the rhetoric. I don’t understand the rest of that paragraph about the arts and terrorists. Sorry, I really did try.
“Palin is factually right that Obama palled around with Ayers and has a little group of radical friends.” Prove it. This is groundless: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/he-lied-about-bill-ayers/ In addition, one could argue that Palin is the one “pallin’ around with [domestic] terrorists: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-roving-psychologist/200810/palin-is-the-one-pallin-extremists http://www.adn.com/2011/03/11/1750269/fairbanks-man-plotted-to-kill.html Cox (one of the accused militia members) says he knew Palin “pretty well and knew her before she was in politics) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSPozBWAJng&feature=player_embedded (start at the 2:50 mark). He is a (alleged) terrorist NOW, not 30 or 40 years ago (when a lot of people were protesting, not that activism condones violence – it doesn’t), as is alleged with Bill Ayers, and the connection between Palin and Cox is much more clear, as is the connection between the militia and Palin’s good friend, Joe Miller: “I know Joe Miller pretty well. It’s a small state. I’ve known him, I know his kids,” he said, adding: “He’s a good guy and we’re buddies.” http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/16/joe_miller_militia_kidnap_plot
You said, “I guess the old saying is right. If you want to annoy a conservative, tell them a lie. If you want to enrage a liberal, tell them the truth.” You didn’t prove any truth at all, and I’m not at all annoyed. On the contrary, I welcome the opportunity to refute your claims and provide actual facts. I understand that C4P is trying to a foster a kinder/gentler image. Perhaps after doing your homework, you’d like to continue to debate using actual facts and citations, and less snark (which is polite rhetoric for “rudeness”?
August 3, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Raven Woman
Flesher Man..How many times did you say you watched the $100 DVD “The Undefeated”?
August 3, 2011 at 10:48 pm
steveflesher
Actually I have not seen it yet, but will when it hits PPV. All things I mentioned are in the public domain.
August 4, 2011 at 4:45 pm
jk
Oh, Steve, didn’t you get the Sarahpac memo? You were supposed to see it in the theater and force five of your friends to go with you.
August 3, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Val
steveflesher: Don’t forget… Sarah Palin filed the most expensive ethics complaint against Governor Sarah Palin.
http://tinyurl.com/yfz52c7
August 4, 2011 at 11:49 am
Sir Guestalot
Notice how “Steve” has no response to that. He doesn’t seem to know much about Sarah Palin. Yet he wants to “debate.” Steve, it’s impossible to “debate” someone who has no facts. All you have is “emotion.”
August 4, 2011 at 6:44 pm
steveflesher
“Steve” has a “life” and doesn’t have time at 11:49 AM to chat. I have a job to go to.
The biggest ethics complaints filers were Andree Mcleod, the Hennings, and Linda Biegel.
All unknown until doing so.
August 4, 2011 at 12:38 am
Colleen
hi Malia, your blog was a hot topic on the ADN site today…lots of folks on there having their say…I say the complaint has merit…Sarah is a menace…and no way do I want here anywhere near DC….have a nice evening…:)
August 4, 2011 at 7:57 am
malialitman
Colleen,
Thanks for the information. I’m glad that people were talking about this. To me it is such a good example of the corruption that surrounds Palin. From the APD’s “Press Release” to this opinion, it seems that Palin has all the politicians in her pocket, and that’s abhorrent in any state, in any party Even those who support Sarah should be offended by this as it’s not about policies, but about abuse of the system.
August 4, 2011 at 3:27 am
Lisabeth
Steve, I doubt you will see this or care but much of what you posted isn’t true. The ethics violations went all filed by the same people. Not at all. And the attorney general didn’t dismiss them all. The AG had nothing to do with the othe other complaints. A board appointed by the governor dealt with those and it isn’t true they were all dismissed. You really should know all of the derails and facts before attacking people. You only embarrass yourself because it’s obvious you know nothing about Sarah Palin and what happened with all of the complaints and don’t cate about having factual information.
August 4, 2011 at 3:42 am
Lisabeth
You only enjoy debating liberals because you are so falsely assured of your knowledge. Do you live in Arizona.? I do and you have no idea what was already going on here before SB 1070 was passed or after. Do you ever read your posts after you write them or not? Because the tone of them is so sick and you don’t even know it. You aren’t ” debating” anyone here because you are spouting off nonsense that is completely unrelated to what we are discussing. What does the President have to do with this. You aren’t debating. You are a bully who doesn’t know his facts who gets off on going to a board and attacking people over many unrelated issues. That is not debate. You sound so gleeful about what you are doing which proves my point even more. Are you 10 years old? Because your level of discourse and knowledge and the way you attack is about on that level. And you accuse others of not having a soul. Look in the mirror!
August 4, 2011 at 3:49 am
Lisabeth
The fact that you truly believe she selfishly resigned tells us all what we need to know. It isn’t worth trying to have a discussion with a typical ” low information voter.” You will never understand or believe how little you know about Sarah Palin. It’s pathetic.
Malia, sorry for writing this person back on your site. It’s a waste of energy. No wonder the country is in such a mess after 8 years of such slow backwards people. Thank God all polls show Americans see how ridiculous Sarah is. Her fans and their lack of knowledge and class, certainly don’t help her either.
August 4, 2011 at 10:38 am
debinOH
Debating is a two way street. You actually need to read what the other person says. It is clear that if you even think someone is liberal or a democrat you put your fingers in your ears, cover your eyes and pretend the other person said nothing. You just spout off more crap without ever addressing what the other person said.
But since you love Palin so much then it is clear why. She wouldn’t answer the questions they asked her in her debates and was proud of it.
I wouldn’t worry so much about President Obama’s polls so much because SP couldn’t even get anyone to see her in a movie theater. They sure aren’t going to go vote for her. I guess that really ticks you off. It makes me scream for joy;)
Looking at your blog roll I don’t even know how you go to sleep at night. These people think you are a second class citizen which is absolutely disgusting to me. How you could even read what they write or listen to what they say when they continually go after the gay community? They are vulgar and cruel. I say this as the proud mother of a gay son. I would DIE before I ever listened to or read what those people say. They are people who would stone you in the street if they thought they could get away with it. They are sick people.
As much as your posts tick me off for the reasons I mentioned I do feel sorry for you because you clearly do not respect yourself.
August 4, 2011 at 12:01 pm
mitch
Maybe Steve will join the other Jim Jones’ers and commit suicide en mass when they realize Ms. Quitty pants Isn’t going to announce her candidacy for anything, except to appear on the Jerry Springer Show.